It’s not a Dreamcatcher, it’s a piece of String (3rd Guest blog)

philipg27 is a lender at Zopa, sometime contributor to the Discussion Board and an habitual moaner about the design of the Zopa website. [His words, not mine! Dave]

Recently I was listening to a comedy program on Radio 4. In one sketch there was a Professor who cynically dismissed a number of “new-Age” ideas. As part of the sketch the Professor referred to his book “It’s not a Dreamcatcher it’s a piece of String”. Whilst the sketch itself was not a classic the title of the book stuck in my head.

Why is this at all relevant for Zopa? Well my blog piece is a bit of comment about the nature of Zopa, and re-working the book title I thought this piece could be called “It’s not a Community it’s a Market”.

I’ve previously seen Zopa referred to as a community, in the same way that the micro-credit institutions in the developing world work at a community level. For me Zopa fails to pass the two tests I would have for a community.

1. The two parties (borrowers and lenders) know each other.
2. There are shared communal values that encourage the repayment of debt, and conversely would stigmatise any borrower who failed to complete repayment.

I am a lender at Zopa and there is clearly no way, or mechanism, that requires me to know any of the borrowers at Zopa. Regarding the second test I’m not convinced that any borrower at Zopa feels more obligated to repay a P2P loan than any other “commercial” loan. I suspect that the main motivators for borrowers to repay loans are both honesty, and the need to maintain a good credit rating.

As an aside I guess the most likely group of Zopa participants to be capable and willing to form a community would be the Lenders, but such as situation would probably result in raising of the rates at Zopa and accusations of operating as a cartel!

The other “myth” I want to comment on is the reference to Zopa as the eBay of P2P finance. I don’t agree with this. eBay is a brilliant example of natural, highly scalable, monopoly. The more people that use eBay the greater is the incentive for both sellers and buyers to use eBay. In addition as a company eBay requires relatively little addition investment to host the second million auctions than the first. Contrast this with Zopa. Zopa will never become the single source for individuals to lend and borrow money, if only for the reason that most people probably prefer the safely of collective lending, such as via a Building Society” where the problems (and risks) of an individual defaulting are hidden from the lender.

A better analogy for Zopa would be the insurance market that Edward Lloyd set up in his coffee house. Here people met and did business, thus creating an insurance market. In fact this analogy is even better when you consider the actual mechanisms employed at Lloyds of London. As well as providing a “market'’ for buyers and sellers to meet Zopa provides two additional functions that mirror the market at Lloyds (Or at least as I remember them from my time there in the late 1980s).

Firstly Zopa itself provides the function of assessing the risk of each and every loan, in the same way that the Lead Underwriter at Lloyds would assess the policy being requested by the Insurance Broker.

Secondly Zopa provides the matching mechanism to bundle a set of loan contracts by the Lenders into a single Loan for the Borrower, in the similar way that the insurance broker at Lloyds would go around the Syndicates at Lloyds until the policy was fully underwritten. As an aside Zopa demonstrates almost perfectly what an ‘O’ level Economics student is taught about markets, at least on the supply side. When the price goes up the amount of money available to borrow goes up. Zopa even publish copies of this information on a weekly basis.

Having banged on about Zopa being a market I should finish by commenting on why this is important. Well most importantly for Zopa the message is that Zopa should be working towards making the market easy to use rather than attempting to foster a sense of community. The website is notoriously difficult to use, it should be as simple to use as my online-stockbroker, and provide me with enough information to make informed decisions on the most effective options to lend money. I don’t really need need pictures of people jumping over mountains whilst baking bread I need cash flow statements, better reporting and maybe even some idea of what’s happening to my loans being processed that are currently lost in the Zopa Triangle …


5 comments

James

Posted on August 3rd, 2006 at 10:19 am

Hi Philip

I really enjoyed your post - thank-you.

Some thoughts:

A lot of the changes to the website that we’ll launch at the end of the summer I hope will give you the tools, info and simplicity that you’re looking for in the context of Zopa as a market … and will also make much more transparent what is happening in the “Zopa triangle”.

While I understand and agree with your thrust on Zopa as a market - I do believe, based on what members have told us, that for some people there is also a strong social aspect to Zopa. For some people, seeing where their money goes or where it has come from is really important; knowing it is coming from people is important; feeling more connected with their money is good - its more personal … a bit warmer and a bit more interesting. Others do feel some sense of community - although community is one of those great words that means different things to everybody - and I hope that some of the developments we’ll be making in the future will help those, for whom community is important, get more of what they’re looking for from Zopa.

My conclusion is that Zopa is at its best where it can provide a place for people to get a great financial deal through a safe, efficient and transparent market AND a sense of social / community reward through people dealing directly with other people.

James
Co-Founder

philipg27

Posted on August 3rd, 2006 at 9:37 pm

James,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I’m looking forwards to any improvements with the website design.

It’s interesting to observe your comments that people feel more connected to the transaction when they know that the money comes from other people. In the big picture this is exactly the same transaction as with a bank or a Building Society. I guess what is happening here is the difference between the objective reality and the subjective reality. At the objective level you have borrowers and lenders performing a financial transaction via a commercial entity (or mutual entity in the case of a Building Society), but subjectively many people perceive the transaction differently when they can identify the other individuals involved.

Rgds,
Phil

kittyhello

Posted on August 5th, 2006 at 3:50 pm

Anyway, www.prosper.com is much better an ebay model in p2p finance than www.zopa.com
prosper is more friendly and much more detailed.

James

Posted on August 6th, 2006 at 10:15 pm

Hi there Kittyhello

Are you a Prosper user or a Zopa user?

Why do you think Prosper is better and more detailed?

Perhaps more interestingly, do you think Prosper is as safe?

Many thanks

James

kittyhello

Posted on August 9th, 2006 at 5:00 am

surely zopa makes a great more effort to reduce the investment risk than prosper whereas prosper make a great more space for user’s own decision. zopa is more likely a web 1.0 company while prosper a web 2.0 company. as for safe or not, it is something like that zopa is a bank where you save money and prosper a stock you invest in Nasdaq. As i have said early in your blog, internet companies should be more open to the users.


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